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Coronavirus megathread (2)

2020.03.23 21:10 vlepun Coronavirus megathread (2)

New measures, new megathread. Old one here.
What will be in this thread?
And of course whatever you want to discuss as a community. I do have to note a couple of things here because apparently it is necessary:
1) absolutely no organising of events. It is absolutely necessary to stop the spread of the virus if we want to give the health care system any chance at helping patients at all. Still feel like organising something through the sub? extrafree ban for 2 weeks.
2) absolutely no selling or asking to sell, drugs. Any type of drugs. Still try to sell or ask for anyone who sells drugs? extrafree ban, 2 weeks.
Current measures enacted by the Dutch government (per 2020-03-23)
Measures 2020-03-23
Measures 2020-03-16
Current guidelines by the RIVM
Stay at home or contact the General Practicioner's office (huisarts)?
Stay at home if:
You're experiencing common cold symptoms (see above) and fever of upto 38,0 degrees Celcius. Avoid contact with others.
Call your General Practitioner's office if:
Your fever surpasses 38,0 degrees Celcius and/or your cough is difficult and/or you have trouble breathing.
AskDocs megathread regarding coronavirus
Want to get your questions about this virus answered by a medical professional? Head over to AskDocs. They have a Megathread with the latest medical news and will do their best to answer your questions.
Folding at Home
PcMasterRace has a good thread online about [email protected] and the Coronavirus, see here.
Red Cross corona hotline
The Red Cross has opened up a Coronavirus hotline. You can call them if you have questions, worries, are feeling lonely and need someone to talk to.
Phone number: 070-44 55 888
Update RUG (2020-03-16):
Update Hanze (2020-03-16):
2020-03-17 Government measures to support businesses and ZZP: NOS article
2020-03-18 NHV/NVIVG - Gebruik van bloeddrukverlagers bij coronavirus infectie (Dutch)
2020-03-23 RUG Update regarding physical classes as per u/Thijmenn: comment here
Coordinated help efforts for those in need:
Rode Kruis:
Lokaal initiatief:
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2020.03.16 14:57 vlepun Corona virus megathread for Groningen

Since the new SARS-CoV2 virus has spread and the measures the government has undertaken have an obvious impact on our daily life this is a good time to create a megathread.
What will be in this thread?
And of course whatever you want to discuss as a community. I do have to note a couple of things here because apparently it is necessary:
1) absolutely no organising of events. It is absolutely necessary to stop the spread of the virus if we want to give the health care system any chance at helping patients at all. Still feel like organising something through the sub? extrafree ban for 2 weeks.
2) absolutely no selling or asking to sell, drugs. Any type of drugs. Still try to sell or ask for anyone who sells drugs? extrafree ban, 2 weeks.
Current measures enacted by the Dutch government (per 2020-03-23)
Measures 2020-03-23
Measures 2020-03-16
Current guidelines by the RIVM
Stay at home or contact the General Practicioner's office (huisarts)?
Stay at home if:
You're experiencing common cold symptoms (see above) and fever of upto 38,0 degrees Celcius. Avoid contact with others.
Call your General Practitioner's office if:
Your fever surpasses 38,0 degrees Celcius and/or your cough is difficult and/or you have trouble breathing.
AskDocs megathread regarding coronavirus
Want to get your questions about this virus answered by a medical professional? Head over to AskDocs. They have a Megathread with the latest medical news and will do their best to answer your questions.
Folding at Home
PcMasterRace has a good thread online about [email protected] and the Coronavirus, see here.
Red Cross corona hotline
The Red Cross has opened up a Coronavirus hotline. You can call them if you have questions, worries, are feeling lonely and need someone to talk to.
Phone number: 070-44 55 888
Update RUG (2020-03-16):
Update Hanze (2020-03-16):
2020-03-17 Government measures to support businesses and ZZP: NOS article
2020-03-18 NHV/NVIVG - Gebruik van bloeddrukverlagers bij coronavirus infectie (Dutch)
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2019.10.03 23:31 MeAnotherself [Unsolved] Heulmeisje Buried under the wrong name for 30 years

Even though this case has some international links, there really isn't that much information available for the international crowd. So I did my best to translate the full case to English!
On Sunday, October 24, 1976, at around 5 pm, a forester and his wife walking their dog found the naked body of a young woman in a pit, covered by leaves, branches, and dirt. Police was called to the scene. Due to circumstances, the girl’s section had to be done on the scene itself, but since it was getting dark, pathologist doctor Zeldenrust was unable to perform the section that evening.
The next day, the pathologist presented his results. He concluded her death was likely not caused by poisoning. Neither was there any sign of gunshot or stab wounds. According to him, it was possible she either had her throat slit or that she was strangled. Due to the state of decomposition of the body (she was suspected to have died somewhere two to three months prior), however, he was unable to find the definite cause of death. He also revealed the girl was not pregnant and had not given birth.
Detectives in the meantime searched the area. First by combing the area, then sifting through the earth around the crime scene, going over it again with a metal detector, and asking questions in the neighborhood.
The investigation turned up nothing that could help police to progress. So police decided to focus on the list of missing girls that fit with the description of the girl they found. The girl was estimated to be somewhere between 15 and 20, was around 1.55 to 1.60 meters tall (5ft2/5ft3), had sleek autumn brown/chestnut hair at a length of 43 centimeters (about 17 inches), and had a well-kept denture (no fillings), though she was missing a molar on the lower right (the 4.6) that had to have been pulled out in her final year.
Especially her denture was something police held onto since having a denture without any fillings is extremely rare. In 1976 only 1 out of 1500 children aged 12 had a denture without fillings. The fact that she was missing a molar was also something people in her environment should have known. So police tried to compare dental records in The Netherlands with her denture. They were unable to identify her through this method. One particular thing that may have played a part in the inability to find matching records might be that dentists at this time would destroy records from their patients that were a year old.
But they didn’t give up on the possibility her teeth would be the outcome of identity. They submitted her dental record to Interpol in Paris, as they suspected they had a foreign girl on their hands. Interpol further distributed the information in Western-Europe and when that didn’t give a hit, to the rest of the world.
By December of 1976, police still hadn’t been able to identify the girl (though they were able to limit her age to a maximum of 18 and possibly a couple of years younger). So they decided to try something that hadn’t often been done before: they wanted to take a look at her hair to figure if they could say something on the way the girl had lived. The results of the investigation weren’t published, but we do know it didn't lead to the identification of the body.
Since police couldn’t identify the young woman, people made up a name for her. She was named ‘Heulmeisje’, after parking lot De Heul (which no longer exists) The parking lot was located at the A12, a busy highway near Maarsbergen, The Netherlands, close to the location of the remains, and about a 40-minute drive from the border with Germany.
In 1986, police tried a completely new technique to try and identify Heulmeisje. By comparing photo projections of Heulmeisje’s skull and photos of the missing 18-year-old student Monique Jacobse. Monique grew up Bilthoven and disappeared from her parental home on April 7, 1975. They matched.
Monique didn’t just pop up on the police’s radar. Right after the remains of Heulmeisje were found in 1976, they asked Monique’s dentist to compare the two dentures, but the dentist concluded they didn’t match. Based on these results, Monique was ruled out.
But then came the news that the dentist had made a mistake. The records he had on Monique’s denture turned out to be dated, too old to be compared to Heulmeisje’s denture. Suddenly police had a possible identity again.
The identification, however, didn’t break the case wide open. It was deemed too old to be investigated with a successful result. Her file was put away. And it wasn’t opened again until 1994.
In the summer of 1994, police received a tip pointing to a 73-year-old man from Groenlo as the murderer of Monique Jacobse.
The man, referred to as A. or A.A., taught at a school near the locations of where the remains were found in the ‘70s. After his retirement, he and his wife moved to Groenlo, where he started experiencing a deterioration of his health. Before his arrest, he also stayed at a mental institute twice. His wife wanted him to be admitted to a retirement home, but he didn’t. This supposedly led the couple fighting and becoming suspicious of one another. This suspicion allegedly led to the wife thinking her husband was keeping a horrible secret from her, related to the remains that had been found in 1976. She confronted him several times, asking him if he had any involvement, but he denied every time. She reported her suspicion to the police.
Which led to his first questioning in July. After this interrogation, A. spend, yet again, sometime in the mental institute. When he was brought in for a second time, he had no longer a desire to resist and agreed with the police on every question they asked him and confessed to the crime, according to his lawyer D. Fasseur.
The police, on the other hand, took the confession into serious consideration. A police officer received a napkin filled with scribbles in 1993 delivered by a man in his 30s with wavy medium length brown hair on a yellow/green racing bike to the officer’s home. When the napkin was received, they couldn’t make sense of what was written, but according to the police, after questioning A., the napkin started to make a lot more sense. In 2014, it was revealed what was written on the napkin:
197… (possibly 1976)
Melkrijder (could either point to a street in Nijkerk about 20 minutes’ drive from Maarsbergen or the person who delivered milk to people’s doorstep)
Housekeeping (female)
They also took into consideration that he supposedly confessed the crime to his family as well before they were notified.
In November of the same year, the man committed suicide, ending the investigation into his involvement in the case as the law states criminal proceedings are stopped when a suspect dies.
No news surfaced on the case for several years. Until 2006 came around.
Up until 2006, no one doubted the identity of ‘het Heulmeisje’. No one doubted that it may not have been Monique Jacobse. And then Monique contacted her sister, Marion, through email to wish her happy birthday on her 50th birthday. Her sister didn’t immediately believe it was Monique, but she started believing her more and more when she realized this person knew details only Monique would know.
Monique did end up coming out to The Netherlands to meet her family face to face. But police were never informed on Monique’s reappearance. The family only informed the police when they revealed they were planning to open up Monique’s supposed grave as part of an investigation into suspected serial killer Peter C. At the time, he lived near the location of where the body was found and the justice department wanted to take a look into a possible connection. Police stated he remained as a possible suspect in the case.
Monique’s family gave police a DNA sample to test against the DNA of the remains from the girl buried under Monique’s name. Monique herself didn’t want to take part in a DNA investigation, initially, to stay out of publicity. But in September 2012, police confirmed through DNA investigation that Monique was indeed Monique. The court officially gave her back her identity in 2013.
Monique left her home in 1975 and moved to Germany, to build a new life under a new name, without anybody knowing about her past life. She said she never knew people thought she had died.
Police had to start again to find the identity of the Heulmeisje. Police ordered a facial reconstruction to be made based on the skull of the girl by the end of 2006. In 2007, a photo of this reconstruction was spread through an episode of “Opsporing Verzocht”, a collaborative TV show by the justice department, the police, and TV channel AVROTROS.
At the beginning of 2007, the police send a detective to Cologne to make some inquiries on the possibility of ‘Heulmeisje’ being Pauline Sybille Breuer, a 22-year-old who was reported missing on May 5, 1976. Pauline was last seen by her sister Gertrud, in the summer of 1975, when she showed up to her doorstep heavily intoxicated with a beer in her hand, carrying a gun, brass knuckles and another beer in her purse. She told her sister she had some important business to take care of. She also told Gertrud to take care of herself and her children, and that she would hear from her later.
Pauline came into the picture after police broadened their search on possible missing persons to neighboring countries after coming up empty-handed by going through Dutch databases. Police was very surprised by the similarities between the reconstructed face of Heulmeisje and Pauline’s face. Gertrud too thought it could be possible the remains that were found belonged to her sister.
But when the results of the DNA research came back, it was revealed their DNA did not match.
Police also received their first major lead that year. A man came forward to police saying he may have given Heulmeisje and another man a ride. He said he saw a girl and a man hitchhiking and thought it would be unsafe for them to continue on foot so he let them into his car. The girl and man spoke German and got into an argument during the ride. The girl supposedly said she wanted to return to Germany, while the man wanted to stay in The Netherlands. He also remembered that the girl smoked Stuyvesant cigarettes and that they had worked in the catering industry, either in The Hague or Scheveningen.
The girl and man left the man’s car about 1 kilometer (0.6 miles) away from parking lot De Heul.
In 2008, police compared Heulmeisje's DNA to another missing girl from The Netherlands. 17-year-old Marjo Winkens from Schimmert disappeared between the night of September 1 and the morning of September 2, 1975, after visiting a fair. Police earlier had conducted a skull investigation but concluded Marjo’s skull did not match with the skull of Heulmeisje. They also compared dental records in 1976. But they still wanted to test her. To do so, police opened up Marjo’s mother’s grave to collect DNA (even though her parents had already given DNA to the police in 2006). The test result confirmed Heulmeisje was not Marjo Winkens.
Around the end of 2010/the beginning of 2011, a Dutch lawyer came forward to police with a theory on who Heulmeisje was and who killed her. She claimed Heulmeisje was the Austrian Gerta Hof and who was suspected to have lived in Graz around that time. Gerta Hof met the lawyer’s ex-husband during a ski vacation in Salzburg in February of 1976 and allegedly traveled to him when her vacation was over. The lawyer accused him and his brother of raping and murdering Gerta (among other severe crime allegations).
While Dutch police focused on questioning the ex-husband, German police went through records to find any proof of Gerta Hof’s existence. They found no one by the name of Gerta Hof in Graz, so they decided to widen their search and include names that sounded like Gerta Hof. And they found one woman who looked like the girl on the picture provided by the lawyer. When they paid a visit to the woman and told her the story, she was surprised. She had met the ex-husband during her ski vacation, but she says she has never seen him since.
Police could rule out Gerta Hof as Heulmeisje.
In 2012, two researchers from the VU (Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam), Gareth Davies and Laura Font Montales, conducted isotope research on Heulmeisje. By looking at the girl’s hair, teeth and bones, they were able to tell where she had been.
The first noticed a low balance between strontium atoms in the girl’s teeth, which is compliant with a volcanic area. Since they only focused on searching are within Europe, they were left with the possibilities that she either grew up in Eiffel (Germany), Auvergne (France), Bohemia (Czech Republic), Greece, or Italy. By looking at the oxygen isotopes, they were able to rule out Auvergne, Greece, and Italy. By looking in the lead in her teeth, they were able to rule out Bohemia. The lead in her teeth came from a mine in Australia and only western countries get their lead from Australia. This meant Heulmeisje grew up in the region of Eiffel, Germany.
Then, they looked at her hair. Hair grows on average about one centimeter (0.3 inches) a month and can tell a researcher where you have been during that time. Since Heulmeisje had her hair at a length of 43 centimeters, they had information on the last three years and seven months. During those years, she spent some time, at least four months, living behind the Iron Curtain in Eastern-Europe. The last seven months of her life she spent in Western-Europe again, possibly in Germany but likely around the area of either Maastricht or Utrecht-Amsterdam.
Her hair also told investigators that she had been starving before her death. They could see she originally had a normal eating pattern, consistent with that of Western-Europe, but that she had a major change in her diet. She ate the same things every day and her body wasn’t getting enough proteins from it. What caused this change in diet is unknown, but police are considering kidnapping. Other possibilities include anorexia or that she was living in extreme poverty.
Police also created a DNA profile for Heulmeisje, which they wanted to use conduct further research, including finding out what color her eyes where.
The discovery that the girl grew up in Germany gave both significances to the lead they received in 2007 and to a new tip that came in in 2012. A taxi/cab driver came forward with a conversation he overheard. He overheard a drunk man say he had killed a young girl from Essen.
After an episode of “Aktenzeichen XY unglöst”, the German version of “Opsporing Verzocht”, police received twenty new tips. One girl was named in two different tips. This girl, who remains unnamed, supposedly went to The Netherlands for an abortion, something that was illegal at the time in Germany.
At the beginning of 2013, the Dutch Forensic Institute researched Heulmeisje’s age. They looked at whether her epiphysis was opened or closed, the hairs in the dental roots, the development of the denture, and how far the femur had developed. By combining the results, her age was estimated to be between 13,5 and 15 years old. A lot younger than the original believe that Heulmeisje had been between 18.
Because the old reconstruction of Heulmeisje’s face didn’t resemble a child between the ages of 13 and 15, they decided to make a new reconstruction.
The new reconstruction, made in Scotland at the University of Dundee, was premiered in “Opsporing Verzocht”’s latest episode on Heulmeisje. During the same episode, police spokesman Thomas Aling revealed they had received a ‘serious lead’ in the case in 2012. An anonymous tip revealed there may have been two perpetrators. Two men, who were between 30 and 40-years-old at the time, supposedly dumped the body of the girl near the parking lot. The person who called in the tip also revealed multiple people knew who the two men were who were responsible.
In 2013, police proposed a DNA kinship research to the German police. The idea is that they compare Heulmeisje’s DNA profile to DNA in police databases across the two countries in the hopes of finding a relative of the girl. So the public wouldn’t be asked to provide DNA, they would be going through the DNA they had already available. This does mean that, if they want this investigation to succeed, a relative of hers had to have come into contact with the police, whether through committing a crime or by being reported missing.
The research was approved by Germany in 2016.
The same year, police revealed they were looking to get some help from the United States in the search of the American soldier. Two years prior, in 2014, they had received a tip that an American soldier had been living with a German girl in the vicinity of Maarsbergen. Specifically at Bergenweg 39 in Maarn. The soldier was estimated to be in his late 30s and had a wife and children in Germany. He had brought the girl he was living with, who had run away from home, from Germany. Two siblings who lived next to them said he would make sure there was always food in their home so the girl didn’t have to go outside and that the man would go back and forth between Germany, which could mean he was stationed in Germany. But police are also considering the possibility he was stationed in Soesterberg, which is located near Maarsbergen. The American soldiers stationed at this base were never registered and that’s why police were looking to get the names from the US.
In 2014, police also revealed they were looking for a student from the same school as the elderly suspect taught. This student, who lived in Woudenberg, supposedly spoke to a German girl on several occasions at motel Maarsbergen. The motel was on the route he had to take on his bike to get to and from school. The motel is also near where Heulmeisje’s body was found, about 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) away. But since the school’s record were all destroyed, they had not been able to find the student. Whether they eventually did is not known.
The latest update, in this case, is from 2018. Police revealed the DNA kinship research had not begun yet. Reason for this being that the police had been given new information and clues that they first had to follow-up on before starting the DNA research will start. When this will be is unknown.
This case passed the statute of limitations period back in the ‘90s, so the perpetrator(s) cannot be tried for the murder in The Netherlands (The Netherlands no longer has a limitations period on murder, but since this case passed its period before the law was changed, still no charges can be filed against the perpetrator(s)). Finding out who killed Heulmeisje is therefore much less of a priority to Dutch police then finding out who this girl is. They want to be able to tell the girl’s family and friends where their loved one is.
If this case does end up getting solved and the perpetrator(s) turn out to be German or the murder was committed on German soil, a trial could still be held. Germany didn’t and doesn’t have a limitations period on murder committed with a special kind of intent or to cover up a different crime.

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2018.06.20 16:49 qchisq Artikel 11 og 13: Hvad de reelt siger

Hvis du ikke har opdaget det, så er internettet blevet spammet af folk der råber vagt i gevær over en traktat der bliver debatteret i EU lige nu. Ikke bare det, men det relevante udvalg har lige accepteret lovteksten, der nu bliver sendt til EU Parliamentet. I den traktat er det specifikt 2 artikler, nummer 11 og 13, som folk er sure på. De er sure over artikler 11 fordi den skulle indeholde en såkaldt "link skat" og artikler 13 fordi den skulle tvinge alle websteder til at tage indhold ned der potentielt overtræder folks copyright. Jeg besluttede mig for rent faktisk at læse de 2 artikler for at se hvad folk er så sure over. Jeg indrømmer gerne at jeg ikke er jurist, så det kan sagtens være at jeg misforstår noget i processen. Anyways, her er lovteksten hvis du selv vil danne en mening

Artikel 11

Første delparagraf af første paragraf definerer hvad artikel 11 dækker
Member States shall provide publishers of press publications established in a Member State with the rights provided for in Article 2 and Article 3(2) of Directive 2001/29/EC for the online use of their press publications by information society service providers
Jeg er ikke helt sikker på hvad "press publications" med de rettigheder der er defineret i "Article 2 and Article 3(2) of Directive 2001/29/EC" dækker over. Det kan være det bare er nyhedssider eller bogproducenter og jeg gider ikke til at læse Directive 2001/29/EC. Det her er tørt nok i forvejen. Det korte af det lange er at artikel kun dækker over "press publications". Menr den anden subparagraf af paragraf indeholder to meget vigtige pointer:
The rights referred to in the first subparagraph shall not apply in respect of uses of insubstantial parts of a press publication. Member States shall be free to determine the insubstantial nature of parts of press publications taking into account whether these parts are the expression of the intellectual creation of their authors, or whether these parts are individual words or very short excerpts, or both criteria.
Pointe 1: Det her bliver virkelig tørt. Pointe 2: De rettigheder som artikel 11 omfatter ikke brug af ting kun er en uvæsentlig del af værket og det er de individuelle medlemsstater der bestemmer hvad "uvæsentlig" betyder. Det betyder, eksempelvis, at hvis Polen beslutter at "uvæsentlig" betyder "hvad man kan forvente i dag på reddit", så gør reddit ikke noget strafbart hvis de har base i Polen, selv hvis Holland beslutter at "uvæsentlig" betyder "alt hvad der er lavet nogensinde".
Den næste interessante del af artikel 11 er paragraf 4
The rights referred to in paragraph 1 shall expire 1 year after the publication of the press publication. This term shall be calculated from the first day of January of the year following the date of publication.
Kort sagt, hvis du har copyright på noget, så er det kun omfattet af artikel 11 1 år plus løbende år. Fair nok, det er relativt lang tid hvis vi snakker nyhedsartikler. Men, igen, det er op til de enkelte stater at bestemme hvad "væsentlig" dækker over. Og jeg ville blive stærkt overrasket hvis medlemstaterne besluttede at de dækkede over links.
Det var sådan set hele artikel 11. Som jeg læser den, så er den eneste måde du kan tolke den som en link skat er hvis du antager at alle medlemsstater beslutter sig for at selv et link er en "væsentlig del" af at indlæg. Ville jeg foretrække at Parliamentet selv definerede det? Ja, uden tvivl. Men der er sikkert en eller anden polak eller ungarer der har råbt op om "SELVSTÆNDIGHED!!!", hvilket har medført den usikkerhed.

Artikel 13

Igen, lad os få defineret hvad artikel 13 taler om helt til at starte med:
An online content sharing service provider shall obtain an authorisation from the rightholders referred to in Article 3(1) and (2) of Directive 2001/29/EC in order to communicate or make available to the public works or other subject matter. Where no such authorisation has been obtained, the service provider shall prevent the availability on its service of those works and other subject matter, including through the application of measures referred to in paragraph 4. This subparagraph shall apply without prejudice to exceptions and limitations provided for in Union law
Basically, hvis du er en side som Reddit eller Youtube og du vil give adgang til noget der er beskyttet af artikel 3(1) og (2) i Direktiv 2001/29/EC, så skal du have lov til det først. Hvis webstedet ikke har fået lov til at give adgang til det værk, så skal man forhindre brugerne i at tilgå de værker. Og her er der ikke mulighed for at Sverige har lempligere regler end Tyskland.
Hvis vi kombinerer den her paragraf med artikel 11, så kommer jeg frem til at det er ok at linke til andre værker. Det er også ok at citere andre værker, så længe det bliver vurderet til at være en "uvæstenlig del" af indlægget. Webstederne kan holdes straffrie hvis de følger processen der bliver lagt frem i paragraf 4. I paragraf 4 står der nemlig at
In the absence of the authorisation referred to in the second subparagraph of paragraph 1, Member States shall provide that an online content sharing service provider shall not be liable for acts of communication to the public or making available to the public within the meaning of this Article when:
it demonstrates that it has made best efforts to prevent the availability of specific works or other subject matter by implementing effective and proportionate measures, in accordance with paragraph 5, to prevent the availability on its services of the specific works or other subject matter identified by rightholders and for which the rightholders have provided the service with relevant and necessary information for the application of these measures; and
upon notification by rightholders of works or other subject matter, it has acted expeditiously to remove or disable access to these works or other subject matter and it demonstrates that it has made its best efforts to prevent their future availability through the measures referred to in point (a).
Basically, webstederne holdes straffrie hvis de prøver "effektivt og proportionelt" at forhindre brugere i at tilgå "specific works or other subject matter" på deres platform OG de fjerner ting de har fået at vide bryder copyrighten.
Som jeg læser det her, så er det "bare" DMCA i Europa. Youtube og Google fjerner allerede automatisk ting som der indeholder ting der er copyrightet. Det her betyder bare at alle websteder der gerne vil have adgang til Europa skal implementere noget der minder om det som Youtube har kørende.
I paragraf 5 bliver "effektivt og proportionalt defineret"
The measures referred to in point (a) of paragraph 4 shall be effective and proportionate, taking into account, among other factors:
(a) the nature and size of the services, in particular whether they are provided by a microenterprise or a small-sized enterprise within the meaning of Title I of the Annex to Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC, and their audience;
Dermed bliver små sider bliver ikke tvunget til at implementere copyright beskyttelse.
(b) the amount and the type of works or other subject matter uploaded by the users of the services;
Medmindre, selvfølgelig, at webstedet kun fungerer på grund af brud på den copyright
(c) the availability and costs of the measures as well as their effectiveness in light of technological developments in line with the industry best practice referred to in paragraph 8.
Dermed behver man ikke have anti-copyright "measures" hvis det bliver vurderet at de er for dyre i brug eller ikke er tilgængelige. Alt i alt synes jeg sådan set at det er ok defineret. Små websites bliver ikke omfattet af artikel 13 og hvis man ikke kan implementere anti-copyright measures på en måde der giver mening, så behøver man heller ikke gøre det.
Alt i alt, så mener jeg ikke at der er det store at hidse sig op over når man reelt har læst teksten igennem. Hvis du automatisk antager at medlemsstater vurderer at "væsentlig" betyder "alt der bare lugter af copy paste", så fair nok, der er noget at bekymre sig over. Men hvis du er en EU stat der gerne vil lokke websteder til landet, så laver du automatisk meget løse vilkår for webstederne. Artikel 13 er en smule vag, især i paragraf 5. Hvis du antager at embedsmændene automatisk antager at alle kan have Youtubes anti-copyright filter, så er der måske lidt problemer. Men det tvivler jeg stærkt på kommer til at ske, især efter de første par store sager
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2018.04.20 15:45 kamerstukken-bot Antwoord op vragen van de leden Van der Staaij en Kuik over sugardating

  Bij beantwoording de datum en ons kenmerk vermelden. Wilt u slechts één zaak in uw brief behandelen.   In antwoord op uw brief van 21 februari 2018 deel ik u mee, mede namens de Ministers van Binnenlandse Zaken en Koninkrijksrelaties en van Onderwijs, Cultuur en Wetenschap, dat de schriftelijke vragen van de leden Van der Staaij (SGP) en Kuik (CDA) over sugardating worden beantwoord zoals aangegeven in de bijlage van deze brief.   De Staatsecretaris van Justitie en Veiligheid,   Mark Harbers   Antwoorden van de staatssecretaris van Justitie en Veiligheid en de ministers van Binnenlandse Zaken en Koninkrijksrelaties en van Onderwijs, Cultuur en Wetenschap op de vragen van de leden Van der Staaij (SGP) en Kuik (CDA) over sugardating (ingezonden 21 februari 2018, nr. 2018Z03117)     Vraag 1   Kent u de uitzending van Rambam van 15 januari 2018 over sugardaddy-praktijken?   Antwoord 1   Ja.   Vraag 2   Deelt u het beeld dat het bij deze datingsites doorgaans de sugerdaddy in ruil voor seks ‘de date’ betaalt? Bent u het ermee eens dat hiermee dergelijke sites eigenlijk niet meer gebruikt worden als datingsites, maar als platform dienen om seksuele diensten aan te bieden?   Antwoord 2   Deze datingsites presenteren zich als een online netwerk voor volwassen mannen en vrouwen boven de 18 jaar die een wederzijds profijtelijke relatie zoeken. Deze online dating-dienstverleners bieden een platform waarop deze mensen elkaar kunnen ontmoeten. Ik kan mij voorstellen dat contact via dergelijke websites kan leiden tot seksuele handelingen.   Vraag 3   Vindt u zulke praktijken toelaatbaar op grond van de huidige wet- en regelgeving, mede gelet op de uitlatingen van het bedrijf dat sprake is van “een soort escortdienst”?   Antwoord 3   Of de activiteiten toelaatbaar zijn op grond van de huidige wet- en regelgeving hangt af van de feiten en omstandigheden. Verschillende opsporingsdiensten kunnen optreden als wet- en regelgeving worden overtreden.   Vraag 4   Wat is uw oordeel over het feit dat seksuele handelingen een belangrijke kern van de activiteiten vormen van de sugardaddy-praktijken? Bent u bereid te onderzoeken in hoeverre het beeld dat in deze uitzending naar voren komt klopt en in hoeverre deze praktijk ook bij soortgelijke organisaties aan de orde is?   Vraag 5   Ziet u ook dat dergelijke datingsites risicovol kunnen zijn voor kwetsbare (jonge) vrouwen die om geld verlegen zitten? Bieden deze sites, naar uw mening, voldoende waarborgen om illegale prostitutie en/of mensenhandel te voorkomen? Deelt u de verontwaardiging van de Franse staatssecretaris van Emancipatiezaken dat het lichaam als handelswaar wordt behandeld?   Antwoord 4 en 5   Als volwassenen overeenkomen om met elkaar seksuele handelingen te verrichten, dan is dit niet strafbaar. Het is bekend dat aan online dating risico’s kleven, omdat in eerste instantie onbekend is wie achter het online profiel schuil gaat. Om deze reden hebben verschillende datingsites dan ook het Keurmerk Veilig Daten opgericht. Sites die zich richten op een meer bijzondere vorm van dating, zoals deze sugardaddywebsites, maken tot heden geen gebruik van dit keurmerk. Dit kan voor bezoekers van de sites en mogelijke belangstellenden een indicatie zijn om zich op een andere datingsite in te schrijven. Het is van groot belang dat beheerders van dergelijke sites hun verantwoordelijkheid nemen. Waar specifieke risico’s worden geconstateerd, kan hierover vanuit overheidspartners ook actief het gesprek worden aangegaan met de private partijen.   Verder meld ik nog dat het betreurenswaardig zou zijn als vrouwen (of mannen) slachtoffer zijn geworden van ongewenste intimiteiten door contacten via deze site. Dat het contact via een sugardating website is gelegd maakt het niet anders dan contactlegging via Tinder, Facebook of gewoon een fysieke ontmoeting in een café. Ongewenst intimiteiten zijn te allen tijden sterk af te keuren. Mensen die het slachtoffer worden van ongewenste intimiteiten kunnen daarvan aangifte doen bij de politie.   Online dating-dienstverleners zijn reeds jaren actief op de Nederlandse markt. Bij het OM zijn geen indicaties van misstanden in de vorm van uitbuiting bekend die zijn gerelateerd aan het aanbod van datingsites zoals deze. Ik acht volwassen vrouwen en mannen in staat om de risico’s die gepaard kunnen gaan met online dating goed in te schatten. Ik zie op dit moment geen aanleiding om hier verder onderzoek naar te doen.   Vraag 6   Hoe beziet u de inspanningen van de Franse autoriteiten, die onderzoek doen naar de toelaatbaarheid van deze activiteiten en een aanklacht hebben ingediend? Bent u bereid in overleg te gaan met uw Franse collega’s en, in samenwerking met de Vereniging van Nederlandse Gemeenten (VNG), te verkennen welke maatregelen in Nederland mogelijk en nodig zijn? Bent u bereid te bevorderen dat aangifte wordt gedaan van strafrechtelijke overtredingen zoals aanranding en verkrachting door personen of het bedrijf dan wel voor poging, deelneming of uitlokking ervan?   Antwoord 6   Aangezien er bij het OM geen indicaties bekend zijn van misstanden gerelateerd aan datingsites zoals deze, zie ik geen aanleiding om hierover in gesprek te gaan met de Franse collega’s of de VNG.   In algemene zin wordt gestimuleerd aangifte te doen van strafrechtelijke overtredingen zoals aanranding en verkrachting, om opsporing, vervolging en berechting mogelijk te maken. Dit geldt ook voor eventuele misstanden via websites.   Vraag 7   In hoeverre is voor een dergelijk bedrijf op grond van de bestaande wetgeving en op grond van het wetsvoorstel voor regulering van prostitutie sprake van een vergunningplicht vanwege escortactiviteiten? Zijn de benodigde vergunningen hiervoor aangevraagd en verkregen?   Antwoord 7   Er is geen specifieke vergunning nodig voor het aanbieden van een webpagina op internet. Datingwebsites worden, net zoals andere websites, geacht te handelen in overeenstemming met de geldende wet- en regelgeving. Tegen websites die een platform bieden voor uitbuiting kan strafrechtelijk worden opgetreden. Het huidige wettelijke kader (artikel 273f van het Wetboek van Strafrecht) biedt voldoende mogelijkheden om aanbieders/beheerders van websites aan te pakken die zich schuldig maken aan seksuele uitbuiting of voordeel trekken uit de uitbuiting van een ander. In aanvulling op de bestaande mogelijkheden om seksuele uitbuiting aan te pakken werkt de regering aan een wetsvoorstel dat het faciliteren van illegale prostitutie strafbaar stelt (invoering pooierverbod).   De regelgeving voor de bedrijfsmatige exploitatie van prostitutie verschilt per gemeente. Momenteel wordt gewerkt aan landelijke regels inzake prostitutie. Daarin is een escortbedrijf gedefinieerd als de activiteit, bestaande uit het bedrijfsmatig gelegenheid geven tot prostitutie in de vorm van bemiddeling tussen klant en prostituee. Niet iedere seksuele handeling tegen betaling is aan te merken als prostitutie. En niet iedere bezoeker van een datingwebsite is aan te merken als prostituee. Dit hangt af van de feiten en omstandigheden. Het Wetsvoorstel regulering prostitutie en bestrijding misstanden seksbranche wordt op basis van afspraken in het regeerakkoord aangepast. Na invoering van deze wet gelden voor alle gemeenten dezelfde regels voor escortbedrijven.   Vraag 8   In hoeverre zijn de praktijken die in deze uitzending naar voren komen in strijd met andere wettelijke regels? Bent u – mede in het licht van het grote risico van uitbuiting – bereid toezicht te houden op de activiteiten van deze branche?     Vraag 9   Wordt ten aanzien van sugerdating-sites al gebruik gemaakt van de in de brief van 28 november 2017 weergegeven mogelijkheid om tegen websites die een platform bieden voor uitbuiting, strafrechtelijk op te treden? Zo ja, hoe vaak? Zo nee, waarom niet?   Antwoord 8 en 9   Het is de primaire taak van het OM om te vervolgen bij voldoende bewijs van een strafbaar feit. Daarnaast kaart het OM ook (mogelijke) misstanden in de strafrechtelijke hoek aan. In dat kader vinden twee maal per jaar gesprekken plaats tussen aanbieders van de sites, het OM en het Ministerie van Justitie en Veiligheid. Deze gesprekken zijn constructief en de ervaring heeft geleerd dat de meeste sites hun medewerking verlenen aan het verwijderen van materiaal e.d. Mede daarom is er nog geen gebruik gemaakt van de mogelijkheid om strafrechtelijk op te treden.   Op voorhand kan niet worden geconstateerd dat de sites mensenhandel faciliteren dan wel zich schuldig maken aan mensenhandel. Als in een concrete zaak blijkt dat dit wel het geval is, dan zal het OM samen met de politie daar onderzoek naar doen en waar mogelijk vervolging instellen.   Vraag 10   Hebben gemeenten op dit moment te weinig mogelijkheden om tegen zulke websites op te treden, zoals de voormalige wethouder van Amsterdam stelde? 3) Is de regering bereid te werken aan de totstandkoming van die regels? Wordt in ieder geval op basis van de bestaande regels opgetreden tegen de website, nu blijkt dat daadwerkelijk sprake is van misstanden?   Vraag 11   Onderkent u dat de Europese jurisprudentie inzake artikel 10 van Europees Verdrag tot bescherming van de rechten van de mens en de fundamentele vrijheden (EVRM) overheden veel ruimte biedt om ongewenste commerciële reclame te bestrijden? Bent u bereid om, in samenwerking met de VNG, te verkennen welke lessen geleerd kunnen worden van het optreden van diverse Belgische steden die deze vormen van ongewenste reclame verbieden?   Antwoord 10 en 11   Gemeenten (burgemeesters) zijn bevoegd om op te treden in geval van een verstoring van de openbare orde binnen de gemeentegrenzen. In het geval van een website of bij internetverkeer is de openbare orde in beginsel niet in het geding. Pas wanneer naar aanleiding van een publicatie op internet de openbare orde dreigt te worden vestoord, kunnen bevoegdheden om de openbare orde te handhaven toegepast worden. Wanneer uitingen op het internet zijn te kwalificeren als strafbare gedragingen, kan het OM daartegen optreden. De regering acht het onwenselijk om gemeenten op dit terrein bevoegdheden toe te kennen.   Ik onderken dat artikel 10 EVRM overheden ruimte biedt om commerciële reclame te reguleren. Gemeenten zijn bevoegd om regels te stellen over reclame in de openbare ruimte. Voor zover voor dergelijke websites in de openbare ruimte wordt geadverteerd kunnen gemeenten regulerend en zonodig handhavend optreden. Klachten over reclame-uitingen kunnen worden ingediend bij de Reclame Code Commissie. In de Nederlandse Reclame Code (NRC) zijn de regels vastgelegd waar reclame aan moet voldoen. De Reclame Code Commissie toetst of een bepaalde reclame uiting voldoet aan de regels. In 96% van de gevallen worden uitspraken van deze commissie opgevolgd. Het is derhalve wat de regering betreft niet nodig om aanvullende regels te stellen voor reclame uitingen. Ik vertrouw erop dat gemeenten in overleg met adverteerders bepaalde reclame-uitingen op bepaalde plaatsen kunnen voorkomen. Ik zie dan ook geen meerwaarde om een verkenning uit te voeren.     1), 15 februari 2018.   2)   3)   1   VERTROUWELIJK  
  Datum: 20 april 2018    Nr: 2018D25807    Indiener: M.G.J. Harbers, staatssecretaris van Justitie en Veiligheid
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